Watch: Julian Casablancas interviews Henry Giroux

by Eric Van Dril · 49 comments

As Rolling Stone writes on its post announcing the video, “Casablancas interviews Giroux for a wide-ranging conversation that touches on topics including banks’ control over government, why democracy is an illusion, deceptive journalism and the dangers of speaking truth to power.”

Check it out.

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1 Mateja September 14, 2016 at 6:27 am

Doesn’t Cult offer unpaid internships? So you have all these complains about capitalism and greed and corporations and whatever, but then your company exploits one of the most precarious forms of modern labour?

Sorry Jules but that is a bit hypocritical.

2 gS September 14, 2016 at 7:40 am

Is that a fact, Mateja? Does offering unpaid internships (if true) necessarily mean they don’t offer paid ones?

Furthermore, how is it hypocritical for him to call out a broken capitalistic system? How does his company negate the truth he’s speaking regarding the top 1%, and the ever increasing economic gap between the rich and the poor, not only in the U.S., but the world?

3 Mateja September 14, 2016 at 9:06 am
4 gS September 14, 2016 at 9:22 am

Cool. The internships require school credit. Don’t make it seem like its free labor.

Now, please respond to my question.

How is it hypocritical for him to call out a broken capitalistic system? How does his company negate the truth he’s speaking regarding the top 1%, and the ever increasing economic gap between the rich and the poor, not only in the U.S., but the world?

5 UnpaidIntern September 14, 2016 at 9:27 am

Completely agree with @Mateja. Unpaid internships is the definition of capitalist greed. They should be called volunteers. You are either a paid employee or a volunteer. Very black and white in this case.

6 bobotheclown September 14, 2016 at 9:39 am

gS – you just got schooled son

7 Mateja September 14, 2016 at 10:20 am


I’m trying not to sound arrogant nor disrespect you, but I honestly don’t know if the problem is that you don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy or that you don’t see the contradiction between what he says and what he does. If it’s the latter, reread your own message, it’s in there.

8 Mateja September 14, 2016 at 10:25 am

It was just an observation, not big deal. I don’t think he’s the devil for that, he probably doesn’t even know about it.

I still like his music and his persona regardless of how he handles his human resources.

9 lettucefase September 14, 2016 at 10:52 am

you’re right

you’re wrong

that’s the only energy I’m willing to give.

10 Oh Shit Bacon September 14, 2016 at 6:24 pm

Really cool to see and hear that.

11 rxgc September 14, 2016 at 9:03 pm

What’s the matter? It’s not like he’s obligating someone to work for free.

12 Anton September 14, 2016 at 9:44 pm

Some of the best/most beneficial experiences I’ve ever had have been unpaid extern/internships. To say they’re somehow representative of corporate greed is just stupid and uninformed. There’s hardly a correlation at all, unless a company gets by completely without paying any employees. But to give someone the opportunity they would t otherwise have and for their own benefit and that they do so willingly is hardly “greedy.” You’re confusing this with something completely different. Julian isn’t hypocritical for having unpaid interns at Cult. That’s just idiotic in an very elementary way.

13 HumanDadness September 14, 2016 at 10:23 pm
14 piwet September 15, 2016 at 3:50 am

Amen Anton!

An intern isn’t the same thing as an employee either… looking at experience, qualification, education etc.

15 j September 15, 2016 at 9:54 am

right but poor people can’t afford to do unpaid internships, so it’s an exclusive thing and puts the poor at a further disadvantage.

16 @Melodica03 September 15, 2016 at 10:49 am

Unpaid internships are not Capitalism Greed.

Schools usually require people to get an internship in order to get their degree. I worked several unpaid internships in different fields.

All the jobs I was completely unqualified for and would have never gotten if it was an actual paying job. But the internship gave me the opportunity to learn from pros and network with people that lead to a job after I graduated.

This hypocrisy crap is ridiculous.

17 sillygoose September 15, 2016 at 11:20 am

what siiideee you’re standdiing ooooon?!

18 UNP Aide in Turn September 15, 2016 at 2:13 pm


fuck you pussy Julian hates you

19 gS September 16, 2016 at 9:14 am

Mateja, the problem is that you cannot explain how that makes Julian a hypocrite. It seems you’re good at copying and pasting links from the internet, and attempting to get people to accept those as your explanations. I’ll try one last time to illicit a response from you.

How is it hypocritical for him to call out a broken capitalistic system? How does his company offering unpaid internships, but requiring school credit negate the truth he’s speaking regarding the top 1%, and the ever increasing economic gap between the rich and the poor, not only in the U.S., but the world?

20 gS September 16, 2016 at 3:11 pm


21 wilson September 16, 2016 at 4:17 pm

Cool to see Jules get excited when Henry wanted to ask a question to him.

22 Mateja September 17, 2016 at 8:54 am

I guess the problem is that you don’t understand what hypocrisy means. I didn’t say that what he said isn’t true (It’s actually irrelevant, It’s naive at its best, reality is way more complex). An hypocrite can say something true but then not back it with his actions. Complaining about capitalism greed and inequality, and then not paying someone who’s actually working for you by using a form of labour that contributes to social inequality, suits very well to the definition of hypocrite.

I won’t explain in 2016 why using free labour is bad even if they make you think is the best for you, or that they’re actually making you a favour (they’re not). Or even if it was actually good for you in a specific time of your career. If you get someone to work for you, you paid her. If you said you can’t and you wouldn’t offer the job otherwise, you’re probable lying (or your business plan sucks). Justify this kind of practices because they “worked” for you, and neglect the impact they have in the labour market and the economy as a whole is both ignorant and selfish.

It’s curious how some you seem enlightened by this empty slogans (like the 1%, the corporate medzzzzzzzzz) but then you can’t recognize some actual forms in which the capitalism is actually fucking you and draining to you to collaborate to perpetuate an employment relation that only favours the companies and those who have the financial resources to afford working for free. But hey, school credits and networking, yeah!

23 lit2pop September 17, 2016 at 2:17 pm

@Anton, surely the “experience” would have been better if it was paid? If you’re doing work that someone else would have otherwise been paid for you’re a dope for doing it for free. Unless you think the work you did wasnt worth payment, in which case there was no point in you being there.

@gs In a broad sense it is absolutely hypocritical to criticise capitalism and hire unpaid interns; one of the key issues with capitalism is the sole focus on maximising profits at the expense of workers, unpaid internships demonstrate this by refusing to pay workers for the services they provide. There’s no such thing as a “favour” for the intern, if they’re not actually needed their presence disrupts the flow of labour and just contributes to inefficiency. Therefore if they’re there their labour is required, and if its required, they should be paid.

Small businesses might be hiring unpaid interns because of an inability to pay a wage at that stage of the company’s growth. This is why, I guess, a couple of years ago the UK government were pretty close to banning unpaid internships but then decided not to. I think they modified employment law so that if the work is of the same number of hours and tasks performed by paid workers at the company than it is illegal not to pay.

I doubt Cult is actually making any money, I think Julian said that he’s been sinking tens of thousands into the label, so I dont know with him. Also with the music industry, “unpaid intern” = free gig tickets, records, access to parties, etc, which people who apply for such jobs at a young age will generally want to spend their money on anyway.

So the matter of whether Cult is exploitative or not depends on the person who applies (is that kind of “fun” payment satisfactory?) and the tasks/hours they are expected to do (do they do the same work as paid employees at Cult?).

24 jajajaja September 17, 2016 at 6:29 pm

@everyone who is butt-hurt about the “unpaid” internship…you have no idea what you’re talking about.

99% of you would blow Julian for free. Did you even read the application?

Requires school credit? Are there any more details? Probably not M-F 9-5…probably more like something you do in your free time or in tandem with a paying job. Get off your soapboxes peeps

25 Balakalam's ProjectX September 17, 2016 at 7:32 pm


26 wilson September 18, 2016 at 9:06 am

I don’t think anyone is “butthurt”, it’s more of a discussion. I think it would be cool to try out working for Cult Records but I love music and being round it so even an internship would be cool.

27 wilson September 18, 2016 at 9:06 am

And nothing sexual lol.

28 Anton September 18, 2016 at 8:38 pm

Most work done by unpaid interns rarely even benefits the company much. They usually only last a short period of time, and it’s almost impossible for the interns to actually learn/train their duties sufficiently to contribute much to the company. Most intern programs are for the interns benefit, not the company’s (and that’s part of the reason they don’t pay them). Do you think if Cult didn’t offer internships anymore that they would suffer financially, or in anyway at all? Exactly. So the point you’re trying desperately to make (for God knows what reason) is moot. Cult offers internships to let people get their foot in the door to the business, to meet people, to get experience, etc. They don’t do it for free labor. Because honestly, it probably costs them more to do the program then whatever they get in return from the “free labor.” Because almost all employees in every area of the workforce cost their employers money for some period of time after they’re hired–most interns never get out of that period of time. So please–steer your anger to something more worthy of your time.

29 wilson September 18, 2016 at 10:53 pm

@Anton and everyone else
Seems like we’ve all had different intern experiences. Sorry to the guys who had a rough one.

30 wilson September 18, 2016 at 10:53 pm


31 LillySu September 19, 2016 at 2:17 am

I don’t understand why some people here underestimate what ever Julian do by trying to interpret it as malicious or insincere or hypocritical. Come on, I’m sure he could choose many different and easier ways to earn big money instead of forming indie label that produces music he believes in. Does anyone of you really think he offers those unpaid internships bc he needs a free labor? Or is he just trying to give to those young people some unique experience they probably wouldn’t be able to get otherwise.

32 Witch Balls September 20, 2016 at 1:01 am

@LillyStu are you serious? Unpaid internships are the definition of exploitation. They are actually outlawed here in Germany since last year. But sure, Julian is a saint and is just offering the unique experience of working for free. Because money would just spoil the awesome experience of an office job.

33 jajaja September 20, 2016 at 5:46 am

@witchballs get off your high horse and read my post above

Time to wet those lips baby

34 Witch Balls September 20, 2016 at 1:56 pm

sorry jajaja couldn’t find your last post, but someone called jajajaja (are you guys related?) speculated that the internship is “Probably not M-F 9-5”, which wouldn’t change the fact that it’s UNPAID WORK. But surely you don’t mean that post?

35 Mateja September 20, 2016 at 7:46 pm

If you want to defend Julian (although nobody is actually attacking him), lit2pop made a good point on his last two paragraphs.

Things like “Julian doesn’t need the labour he’s just trying to make people happy” or “most of the companies don’t need unpaid interns they hire them because they are kind-hearted” (?) sound a little childish.

36 jajaja September 21, 2016 at 11:19 am

@witchballs yes all jajaja posts are mine and yes I think you would blow Julian for free

The internship isn’t forced labor. Don’t be stupid. All of Cults unpaid interns choose to be an unpaid intern and again, if you read the application, your school must accept it for school credit. So think about it, when you eventually go to college (because I know you 14) wouldn’t you want to get school credit for working at a record company rather than attending college algebra?

37 Witch Balls September 22, 2016 at 1:49 am

@jajaja “All of Cults unpaid interns choose to be an unpaid intern”

sigh… so you don’t think they would rather be, you know, paid interns? But in our current system they have no other choice but to do an unpaid internship since that’s the only thing most companies offer and you need to get work experience for your CV? Like I said, in my country, the government literally outlawed most cases of unpaid internships because everyone’s aware of this huge problem. So, seriously, how do you not understand this? I’m struggling here to explain this basic stuff to you.

38 strokesvinyl September 22, 2016 at 9:58 am

Would anyone be interested in buying rare/collectable Strokes vinyl I have acquired throughout the years? just downsizing my personal belongings figured I’d take a survey if people would be interested..

I have —
FPP (blue and yellow editions)
angles (white vinyl edition -rare)
singles (reptilia, hard to explain , undercover, juicebox, latst nite, several more)
come down (shrinkwrapped)
julian voidz shrinkwrapped i think too
joy division 180gram
a cindy lauper vinyl too

basically i have bunch of vinyl that I’ve collected with hopes of buying a record player but it hasnt happened so what the heck, my loss is your gain?

39 Oh. September 22, 2016 at 10:41 am

How much are you asking for the singles?

40 Q.Bridges September 22, 2016 at 1:04 pm

cool interview, but it would’ve been better if Giroux suddenly turned the tables and demanded an explanation of the weird-ass adlibs at the start of ‘ToJ’


41 Wes September 22, 2016 at 9:45 pm

^This. I would’ve asked JC to teach me some of his sweet dance moves from the vid

42 Joseph A September 23, 2016 at 3:00 pm

Speaking of free labor, let’s not forget the Cult Street Team. Put up posters and stickers and post on social media for a free ticket for you and a friend to a Cult artist concert in your town

43 Miguel September 23, 2016 at 4:28 pm

Yeah i didn’t know about the unpaid internships…i agree with witch balls on that, still think that what Julian is doing is valid though

Have you guys heard the new Growlers stuff? Sounding awesome so far!!
Saw many comments on youtube complaining about the new sound (reminds me of when Angles and CM came out) and blaming Julian for ruining the band, witch I totally disagree, Julian it’s taking them into the next level in my opinion.
I’m diggin’ it sounds really fresh and groovy.

44 rxgc September 23, 2016 at 6:15 pm
45 Anthony L. September 24, 2016 at 7:33 am

^ I really, really enjoyed that. I think he sings well and I really dig a lot of the riffs.

46 jajajaja September 24, 2016 at 7:51 am

@Witch Balls

I completely comprehend what you are saying. Again, this isn’t forced labor. There are a healthy amount of paid internships out there, you simply have to find them. Once more, internships are primarily about experience and education, not productivity and the bottom-line.

In Cult’s case, again, the internship must count as school credit. Meaning it’s a part of your education. I don’t know your educational background, but I didn’t get paid to go to school.

Also, give credit to people who participate in internships. If they want to get paid, then they get a paid internship and vice versa. It’s on you to do your own due diligence to determine whether or not it is a good and fair opportunity.

I bet you a million bucks the little hipster interns at Cult fucking love it and don’t give a damn that they aren’t receiving wages…because it was their choice to intern there and gain experience of what it’s like to work at an independent label.

47 Strokes Bro September 25, 2016 at 6:39 pm

Do yourselves a favour and see the Growlers on their current tour. Saw them a few nights ago and they killed it. City Club is going to take this band to the next level.

48 Kimya September 26, 2016 at 4:04 pm

Kimya Dawson playing in Los Angeles @ Treehouse Festival!

Anyone going??? I remember she toured with The strokes back in 01′

49 Mateja September 28, 2016 at 7:23 am

Strokes @ Lollapalooza Latin America 2017, officially announced

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